Dover Downs has had some upsets in its days. In 1990 Derrike Cope won his second career race proving to the NASCAR world his Daytona 500 victory was no fluke. In 1995 Kyle Petty won in surprising fashion after starting 37^th on the field. Martin Truex, Jr won his first race in 2007, showing the world he was in NASCAR to belong.

None of those races even come close to the 1981 Mason-Dixon 500 at Dover. That’s when a veteran car owner with a veteran driver tasted the sweet taste of victory lane for the first time, giving Dover Downs International Raceway, its biggest upset.

The 1981 Mason-Dixon 500 had everything a big race needed to have in the Winston Cup Series. Youngsters and veterans scattered through the field with the names of Pearson, Shepherd, Bonnett and Waltrip setting the pace for the field in the first two rows.

Early on in the day you knew it was going to be a crazy race. On lap 1 two time Dover winner Benny Parsons and Dave Marcis got together, damaging both racecars and forcing both drivers to retire. Early on it was pole sitter David Pearson, who was setting a blistering pace. However, Pearson’s engine started to show signs of fatigue and was passed by Neil Bonnett for the lead, shortly after Pearson went to the garage for engine trouble.

Neil Bonnett set the pace from there. His No. 21 Purolator Ford was the class of the field, with 40 laps to go Bonnett had a commanding two lap lead over second place Cale Yarborough.

Then suddenly without warning, Bonnett’s engine blew. It was the break Cale Yarborough and his No. 27 M.C. Anderson team needed.

Yarborough was cruising. Meanwhile, Jody Ridley was having a career day. His Truexmore/ Sunny King Ford was running in second place. Ridley came into the event seventh in the standings, yet he hadn’t had a top five yet.  

A win however seemed to be out of reach. Yarborough was dominating. The 40,000 people who packed  Dover Downs International Raceway that day, began to think that this was Yarborough’s race. Then without warning smoke came out of the rear of Yarborough’s car. Yarborough’s engine had blown, giving the lead Jody Ridley, who was two days shy of his 39^th birthday.

Ridley’s No. 90 Ford took the lead from the departed Yarborough on lap 480. Now all Ridley had to do was make it to the finish. Ridley a long time short track star, and car owner Junie Donlavey had taken their first checkered flags in NASCAR history.

Donlavey had little help and little sponsor and it was good to see the little guy win, but not everyone was happy with the victory. “I know we won that race,” said Harry Rainer, owner of Bobby Allison’s No. 28 Ford. “There’s no doubt about it.”

Several times during the late stages of the race, NASCAR’s scoring was messed up. This was long before electric tonic scoring, so many time human error was the cause for the mistakes. D.K. Ulrich who ended up fourth was listed nine laps down one lap and then five the next lap and on lap 480, NASCAR had no rundown at all on the scoreboard.

Whatever prove or suspension Rainer and the NASCAR community had about the race, there was nothing that persuaded NASCAR to overturn their decision. Jody Ridley had won his first career race, and to this day it remains one of the biggest upset in Dover Downs history.

The No. 46 Dodge of Whitney Motorsports, drive by Michael McDowell, was penalized after failing post-race inspection at New Hampshire Motor Speedway this past weekend.

The penalty stands as 50 driver points, 50 owner points and crew chief Jeremy LaFaver was suspended from NASCAR competition for six weeks after the valves in the engine were below mandated weight.

“I stand by NASCAR’s decision in that they give us a box to work within and as competitors we are all expected to work within that box,” Dusty Whitney, owner of Whitney Motorsports, said in a press release. “However, I am extremely disappointed in that as a small team we outsource our engine building and we entrust our engine builder to ensure we meet the NASCAR parameters and engine requirements. By entrusting a third party that did not perform to NASCAR’s standards our team is not only suffering a hefty financial penalty but we are also losing a valuable member of our team for six races along with a substantial loss of owner and driver points. We expect all of our vendors and outsourced suppliers to perform within the guidelines established by Whitney Motorsports and NASCAR and it is extremely unfortunate and costly when they do not.”

Whitney Motorsports said in their press release that they got the motor from Gillette-Evernham Motorsports and got it rebuilt and updated by Arrington Engines.

On the surface, this could look like an error on one of the parties’ parts. However, could this dig deeper? With Gillette-Evernham having this connection, could they had been trying something when they were running dodges last year and it slipped through when they were selling their old motors off?

Following Richmond, Clint Bowyer and team were warned for getting close to breaking the rules.

At New Hampshire, Bowyer’s team again pushed the boundaries, though this time went to far.

NASCAR announced today that Bowyer would be fined 150 driver points as the “car body location specifications in reference to the certified chassis did not match NASCAR-approved specs.” Also, car owner Richard Childress was fined 150 owner’s points, crew chief Shane Wilson was fined $150,000, and both Wilson and car chief Chad Hanley were suspended for six weeks.

Childress said in a statement that they would appeal and the failure of tech was a result of contact made to the rear bumper of the car post-race by the tow-truck.

“First of all, I’d like to apologize to our sponsors, our fans and everyone at RCR for the situation that has resulted from this ruling,” Childress said. “RCR has a long-standing reputation of integrity on and off the race track. We pride ourselves on working within the rules established by the sanctioning body.

“NASCAR informed us after the Richmond race that we were very close to their maximum tolerances. They also told us they were going to take our New Hampshire car to the NASCAR Technical Center after that race. It does not make any sense at all that we would send a car to New Hampshire that wasn’t within NASCAR’s tolerances. I am confident we fixed the area of concern and the New Hampshire car left the race shop well within the tolerances required by NASCAR.

“We feel certain that the cause of the car being out of tolerance by sixty thousandths of an inch, less than 1/16 of an inch, happened as a result of the wrecker hitting the rear bumper when it pushed the car into winner’s circle. The rear bumper was also hit on the cool down lap by other drivers congratulating Clint on his victory. That’s the only logical way that the left-rear of the car was found to be high at the tech center. We will appeal NASCAR’s ruling and take it all the way to the NASCAR commissioner for a final ruling, if need be.”

Robin Pemberton specified during the teleconference earlier today that the infraction could not be caused via an in-race incident, referencing contact with other cars. He added the car was built in this way to purposely bend the rules.

Pemberton added in the conference, though, that the warning delivered after Richmond played no part in the penalty.

“Two years ago, we had a penalty that was this big with the Red Bull team that dealt with the body, so this follows suit.” Pemberton said.

When accessing the penalty, NASCAR took no consideration in removing Bowyer’s victory.

“We don’t consider taking away the win,” Pemberton said. “We’ll leave the winners as they come off the track. If you ask some, they would consider a 150-point penalty with nine races to go in the Chase a pretty hefty penalty.”

Before the penalty, Bowyer was second, 35 points behind Hamlin. Following the penalty, Bowyer now sits 12th, 185 points behind.

Pemberton said in the conference that NASCAR does recognize all teams push the boundaries, however, it is their job to keep them in line. He also went to add that we may see penalties increase in the future, becoming 200 points per infraction.

My Opinion

Richard Childress’ defence – I’d have to agree with that as we saw no contact of the degree that he’s speaking of following Richmond and they were cutting it close there. I think this is just RCR as a team pushing the boundaries further to try to gain a bigger advantage to therefore win the Chase. As it was stated earlier this week in my ‘Creative Interpretation’ article, teams are always trying to find an advantage without getting caught. Here’s just an example of a team pushing those boundaries too far.

No Relation to Richmond – I’d have to disagree with Pemberton on this as NASCAR does not like when teams begin to find ways around what they’re doing and this is what Childress was out to do. I think this has a lot to do it with as normally had this been a first-stance, you’d see 100 points. Though because of that, you’ve now seen 150 points. As Pemberton clearly stated, it does mean a good size.

Bowyer’s Chase Chances – So how big is this? This is huge. In a field like this where it’s expected that they’ll be some who get no finishes lower than 15th, this is going to hurt Bowyer. Though if everybody has a mulligan as we’ve seen some other years, this would have to be considered Bowyer’s and he’ll have to run clean from here on in. It’ll be interesting to see how he does and how close he becomes as if it’s less than 150 that he’s behind the champ, we’ll all refer to this day.

Not Taking Away The Win – I read over Pemberton’s words in the fact that he said they’d never take away a win. Well, if you’ve got a team that’s out there just for the wins, does not care about the points now or such, then what’s stopping them from cheating and getting that satisfaction they want?

Those who are on top are not hot. Well, Denny Hamlin has not been. In fact, he has been downright frigid, at least until the last couple of weeks. Win one and finish second in the other, and all of a sudden one’s prospects begin to pick up.

Win a race but have an illegal car, and the prospects head the other direction. Clint Bowyer lost 150 points, his crew chief, and his car chief as the car failed to pass post-race inspection coming out of New Hampshire. He tumbles to 12th in the Chase and from second to a tie for ninth on our charts. Sometimes when you leave Kansas you wind up in Oz, or the one with ruby red slippers under a house.

Carl Edwards is the current belle of the ball, but has anybody noticed Juan Pablo Montoya recently? The Columbian might have missed a place in the Chase but, along with Jamie McMurray, might be in line to make as much news as the title contenders before they close the season.

Here is a look at the hot 20 drivers over the past 10 events…

*Those in bold blue are Chasers.

1 (1) Carl Edwards – 1542 pts – 5 Top Fives, 8 Top Tens
Is the Cup trophy bigger than the Nationwide one he already has on the shelf?

2 (7) Juan Pablo Montoya – 1395 pts – 1 Win, 1 Top Five, 5 Top Tens
Chase? I don’t need no stinkin’ Chase.

3 (3) Kevin Harvick – 1389 pts – 2 Wins, 5 Top Fives, 6 Top Tens
You notice how Delana looks hotter in her firesuit?

6 (6) Jeff Gordon – 1346 pts – 2 Top Fives, 6 Top Tens
Figures Junior had his car, and Mark Martin got Junior’s at Loudon.

7 (9) Jamie McMurray – 1321 pts – 1 Win, 4 Top Fives, 5 Top Tens
After Daytona and Indianapolis, is Jamie just marking time until Talladega?

8 (8) Kyle Busch – 1305 pts – 1 Win, 3 Top Fives, 5 Top Tens
How can a 25 year old with 80 NASCAR wins not be considered a contender?

9 (4) Clint Bowyer – 1262 pts – 1 Win, 4 Top Fives, 6 Top Tens
Clint, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Kansas any more.

9 (11) David Reutimann – 1262 pts – 1 Win, 2 Top Fives, 3 Top Tens
It truly is becoming a dream machine.

11 (10) Matt Kenseth – 1236 pts – 1 Top Five, 2 Top Tens
Has not yet begun to fight. I mean, he couldn’t have.

12 (13) Ryan Newman – 1216 pts – 3 Top Tens
Unlike his boss, he remembered the most important ingredient of an internal combustion engine.

13 (16) Denny Hamlin – 1208 pts – 1 Win, 4 Top Fives, 5 Top Tens
Knows the secret of the Chase is to have everyone chasing you.

14 (17) Kasey Kahne – 1207 pts – 2 Top Fives, 3 Top Tens
If driving a Hendrick car is heaven, does that mean he’ll be in purgatory next season?

15 (14) Kurt Busch – 1173 pts – 1 Top Five, 5 Top Tens
Discovered what happens when they play tag during a race.

17 (12) Jimmie Johnson – 1131 pts – 2 Top Fives, 3 Top Tens
I’m afraid if I look into my toilet, I’ll see Jimmie.

18 (19) Martin Truex Jr – 1115 pts – 2 Top Tens
Who thought the star of this team would be Reutimann?

19 (18) A.J. Allmendinger – 1097 pts – 1 Top Five, 2 Top Tens
We would change his name to Pettydinger if we thought it would help.

20 (23) Dale Earnhardt Jr – 1051 pts – 2 Top Fives, 2 Top Tens
Remember when a mere top five for Junior was a disappointment?

Note: The quotes in this article are fictional.

1. Denny Hamlin: Hamlin survived a tussle with Carl Edwards with 88 laps to go and charged late, nearly catching Clint Bowyer for the win but settling for the runner-up spot in the Sylvania 400. Hamlin more than tripled his points lead, and now leads Clint Bowyer, Sunday’s winner, by 35.

“I’m probably the first driver to say this,” Hamlin said, “but that run-in with Edwards may have been the best thing to happen to me. Usually, incidents with Edwards lead to thoughts of ‘99’ ways to die; this time, however, it resulted in one way to win.”

2. Clint Bowyer: Bowyer duplicated his feat from 2007, starting the 2010 Chase for the Cup with a win in the opener at New Hampshire. Bowyer, in the No. 33 Hamburger Helper/Cheerios Chevy, dominated, leading 177 of 300 laps, but needed luck, capitalizing on Tony Stewart’s empty fuel tank to clinch the win.

“I’d like to say seeing me in his rear view mirror contributed to Tony Stewart running out of fuel,” Bowyer said. “If it didn’t, then my constant encouragement to ‘Go ahead, make my day’ certainly did.”

3. Kevin Harvick: Harvick finished fifth at New Hampshire, posting a strong first race of the Chase after starting 27th. It was Harvick’s 12th top-5 finish of the year, and he remained third in the point standings, 35 behind Denny Hamlin.

“Clint Bowyer drove a heck of a race,” Harvick said, “and made Richard Childress Racing proud. No offense to my 2011 sponsor, but to Clint, I must raise a drink and say, ‘This is for you, Bud.’”

4. Jimmie Johnson: Johnson started 25th at Loudon and patiently worked his way through the field, with a top-10 finish a likely result until a series of mishaps led to a disappointing finish. Johnson was battling Kyle Busch for seventh on lap 221 when Kurt Busch spun battling Jeff Burton for position. Johnson and Kyle Busch made contact, damaging the front of the No. 48 Lowe’s Chevy. Johnson recovered with only lost track position, but a vibration forced a green flag stop on lap 255. He lost a lap and eventually finished 25th.

“It wasn’t much of a birthday present,” said Johnson, who turned 35 on Friday. “But one thing’s for sure—I certainly got a ‘spanking.’”

“A 92 point deficit can be overcome, but I can’t afford another misstep. This team won’t panic, though. Don’t think I’m vulnerable because, after four Cup championships, I’ve lost the desire to win another. That’s not the case. I do want another, and when I climb the leaderboard to glory, they’ll be calling it a ‘comeback for more.’”

5. Jeff Gordon: A decision to top of his fuel tank with 90 laps to go proved wise for Gordon, as it allowed him to go the distance on the way to a sixth in the Sylvania 300. Gordon improved from eight to fifth in the point standings; however, he lost ground to the leader, and trails Denny Hamlin by 75 points.

“After 56 races without a win,” Gordon said, “I think I’m qualified to recognize a ‘no-win situation’ when I see one.”

6. Kyle Busch: Busch survived contact with Jimmie Johnson’s No. 48, as both checked up to avoid Kurt Busch’s spin on lap 221, to bring home a ninth at New Hampshire. Busch remained fourth in the Sprint Cup point standings, and trails Denny Hamlin by 62 points.

“Things are certainly looking up for Joe Gibbs Racing,” Busch said. “Between Denny Hamlin and I, I’d say a championship is a likelihood, which would give Gibbs another ‘Cup A Joe.’”

“Plus, I’ve got my own television show, ‘Riding Shotgun: Kyle Busch,’ on ESPN, where people on the street can question the authenticity of my fiancee’s body parts. Gosh, people do the same thing with my brother Kurt.”

7. Carl Edwards: Edwards led the way for Roush Fenway Racing at New Hampshire, placing 11th in the Chase opener. Edwards raced in the top 10 for most of the day, suffering a slight setback when he slid into Denny Hamlin on lap 215, causing the No. 11 Fed Ex car to spin. Edwards improved one spot in the point standings to eighth, and trails Hamlin by 95.

“Hamlin’s lucky,” Edwards said. “One would think that when Carl Edwards nudges a car sponsored by a package delivery company, chances are usually good that someone goes ‘airborne.’”

“Anyway, if Hamlin eventually wins the Sprint Cup, I can call my little incident with him my ‘brush with greatness.”

8. Tony Stewart: Stewart led 100 laps at New Hampshire, but fuel mileage betrayed him two laps from the end when his tank ran dry. Clint Bowyer flew by Stewart’s sputtering No. 14 Office Depot Chevy, and Stewart finished 24th, falling five places in the standings to 11th.

“We went down swinging,” Stewart said. “I’m not bitter, and I’m very happy for Clint Bowyer. I guess that makes me ‘Mister Congeniality,’ a fellow that pairs up nicely with the female counterpart, ‘Miss Calculate.’”

9. Kurt Busch: Busch finished 13th in the Sylvania 300, not the result he desired yet not one that ruined his Sprint Cup hopes. Busch started 12th and fought a loose-handling No. 2 Miller Lite Dodge all day, at times driving a bit too over-aggressively. He is now sixth in the point standings, 86 out of first.

“You’ve got to feel for Tony Stewart,” Busch said. “That had to be a heartbreaking loss, as is the case with most victories/losses decided by fuel mileage. I saw Tony after the race and asked him how to spell ‘fuel.’ All I got from him was the ‘F-U.’”

10. Jeff Burton: Burton and the No. 31 Caterpillar racing team say a top-5 finish evaporate when he ran out of fuel with two laps to go in the Sylvania 300. Burton was able to coast to the finish line and finish 15th, which puts him 112 behind Denny Hamlin in the point standings.

“It’s not often you can say you gave it everything you had,” Burton said, “and still ‘tanked.’”

Race No. 1 of the 2010 NASCAR Sprint Cup Chase to the Championship is in the books and it provided lots of drama for all fans. 

Clint Bowyer came out as the hero on top as he took the win, holding on at the end with enough fuel. Coming in a bottom of the chart, Bowyer knew he needed a good run and it turned out perfect as now he sits second, 35 points behind Denny Hamlin.  

Hamlin stuck to the theory that consistency wins you championships as despite getting spun out, he came back to finish second.  

Kyle Busch played the same card as after his spin, he came back to finish ninth. He now sits fourth, 62 points behind Hamlin.  

Sticking it out between in third is Kevin Harvick, who now sits 45 points behind Hamlin with his consistent fifth place finish. Harvick proved during the regular season that consistency can equal being at the top and he plans to continue that show.  

Jeff Gordon is also following the theory as he came sixth and now sits fifth in points, 75 points behind.  

Following Gordon, you’ve got Kurt Busch and Jimmie Johnson sitting sixth and seventh, who both experienced an adventure at Loudon.  

Kurt Busch, who sits 86 behind, said in post-race that he was overdriving the car and as a result, caused some incidents. He added that he had a top-10 car, though due to trying to get that elusive top-five, he ended up 13th.  

Johnson, meanwhile, experienced an adventure of a day as trouble seemed to find him no matter what spot he was, relegating him to a 25th place finish. Though nobody is saying the drive-for-five is over as he’s started out the chase like this before and only now sits 92 points behind Hamlin.  

Roush-Fenway drivers Carl Edwards and Greg Biffle sit ninth and tenth after finishing 11th and 17th, respectively.  

Tony Stewart drops from sixth to fifth after running out of fuel while leading with two to go, which resulted in a 24th place finish.   Rounding out the top 12 is Matt Kenseth, who sits 136 points back after finishing 23rd.   So who is going to win the championship this year?  

Well, it’s still anyone’s game as a 150 point swing is possible in one race so numerically, Matt Kenseth could be leading after Dover.  

The next Chase race this weekend takes place at Dover International Speedway, known to most as the Monster Mile. Action is quick on this track as a lot of people say that it’s Bristol on steroids. Drivers can quickly be caught up in wrecks and quickly be down and out of the Chase.  

So, who’s got the best shot?   Statistically, Edwards is the best driver at Dover with an average finish of 7.9. In 12 starts, he has one win, five top fives and eight top 10s. Recall last year that it was Edwards and his teammates Biffle and Kenseth that put on the Roush-Fenway show with their entertaining battle for the lead. A good run at Dover could put him right back in the thick of things.  

Another driver looking for a good run is Johnson, who has the second highest average finish of 10.2. In 17 starts, Johnson has five wins, seven top fives and 11 top 10s. Also if you look at the past three races at Dover, Johnson has gained the most points (+515), with Kenseth having the second most (+500). Johnson is also known for being hot in the Chase and going on a hot streak of top fives. With this being a good track for Johnson, he could very easily start that streak this weekend.  

Points leader Denny Hamlin has the worst average finish of the Chasers at 22.8. In nine starts, he has two top fives and three top 10s. Hamlin has been doing a lot of talking and a lot of bragging about how good his team is; he’ll need to prove that and run better than average if he wants to show what he means.  

The second lowest ranked of the Chase drivers is Kurt Busch, who has an average finish of 19.6. In 20 starts, Busch has no wins, four top fives and six top 10s. Busch is in need of a good run as he now sits 86 points behind so keeping in mind that he should take what he can get and not overdrive the car again will be key.   The other Chase drivers’ Dover averages go as follows:

• Clint Bowyer – 14.7
• Kyle Busch – 15.5
• Kevin Harvick – 17.4
• Jeff Gordon – 12.1
• Greg Biffle – 10.5
• Tony Stewart – 11.4
• Matt Kenseth – 12.7

No clear favorite has been declared yet as this year seems closer than any. Though if the past is any indication, look for Johnson to claim his spot back atop at the standings.

There are roles in racing that have been distinguished since the beginning – the officials create the rules, while the crew chiefs and teams job is to discover an advantage.

At the beginning of a race season, teams, no matter the level of game, read over the rules to see what they’ve got to follow. Though, sometimes, they’re not just thinking about what’s on the surface; sometimes it’s not what’s on the surface. The geniuses of racing are always looking between the lines, trying to find what they can do, without being called a cheater. Simpler, we can call this “creative interpretation”, as per short track racer Brian Love calls it.

Throughout the racing game, the rules have been subject to this “creative interpretation” as there have been those who’ve come up with their own ideas.

Smokey Yunick was one of the most famous people for doing this as he always was looking to see what he could do within the rules. There’s a story where in tech inspection, NASCAR removed his fuel cell and Smokey turned around, asking, “Are you done yet?” and they told him. He then proceeded to drive away from the officials, but how’d he do that?

He had a fuel line of 11 foot coils of two inch diameter (equaling five gallons) and had enough fuel still in the car. He did that to therefore gain more fuel millage but most importantly, because the officials forgot to write that rule. Now if you read the rulebook, you notice there’s a length specified.

Then there was Ray Evernham, who came out with the car T-Rex at the 1997 Winston, dominating the show. After the show, Evernham was pulled aside and NASCAR specifically told him that he was not to bring that car back.

“We went through the rule book and wherever there was a real gray area or no specifics regarding certain components, we worked hard in that area with new things,” Eddie Dickerson, manager of Chassis Engineering at Hendrick Motorsports, said in an article on NASCAR.com. “There are no major changes you can make to components on these cars. So we worked hard in different little areas. It was a combination of things. … [But] we did not do anything illegal with the car.”

Now-a-days leading the charge is Chad Knaus, who has pushed the envelope to help his driver Jimmie Johnson score his four-championships in a row. Yes, Knaus has been caught and suspended. Though he said that he is doing it as that’s what he’s paid to do by Rick Hendrick – find an advantage and win races; sometimes you get caught while sometimes you don’t.

Robbie Loomis, ex-crew chief for Jeff Gordon and now a lead executive at Richard Petty Motorsports, agrees with the sediment.

“I think that’s our job, to find those areas of interpretation, the gray areas, and do just that,” Loomis said in an article. “Interpret. There is a lot less room in there to find an advantage than there used to be, but that’s part of the challenge.”

There are list of others that have pushed the envelope in the past, including NASCAR’s own employee now, Gary Nelson. That’s probably one of the reasons why Nelson was brought on.

So is it cheating? According to top NASCAR team owners, it’s not cheating unless you get caught.

“I’m going to sit here and lie to you,” Robert Yates said in an article on NASCAR.com. “I’d never cheat.”

Richard Petty is quoted in the same article as saying, “I always told my guys, ‘Cheat neat and you’ll get by with a bunch of stuff.’ I don’t particularly tell my guys to cheat. I just tell them not to get caught.”

Some would even say that those who push the rules are not rule breakers, yet they’re rule makers. After some of the antics pulled by the names mentioned above, more rules were enforced by officials to keep them more so in-line.

Some would also add that people whom do push the boundaries will always be remembered as they’ve left something that’ll always be implemented on the sport.

This same theory extends to the short track realm, where there are teams that push the rules. There are some that try to do things to the car and then some that will even bring stuff up to the officials to see if they’d be able to get away with it. Then when drivers do this and begin to gain the type of advantage, they’re purely accused of the cheating and called out for it.

Though if you look towards the NASCAR stars, they’re normally applauded for finding an advantage. Why is it different in the two different levels of competition?

Welcome to how perception works on this theory called, “Creative Interpretation”.

So, now that I’ve laid the frame work, what’s your take? Do you like “creative interpretation”? Or do you feel that it’s something that shouldn’t happen? Also, how far do you like to see the theory go?